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It all started when a crystal dropped into existence, punched a hole in time and space and landed into the lap of one the most insane men to ever walk the Earth.
At first, the clown didn't know what he had been gifted with, stuck in his cell in Arkham, staring at the reddish purple crystal laying innocently on the dirty stone floor.
And then the voices started, telling him of another universe, talking of power and chaos beyond what he could have ever dreamed.
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LET THEM KNOW WE
WONT BACK DOWN
a marvel/dc roleplay
We Don't even Need Aerosmith (Closed, Tag Nova)
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You should get a girlfriend.
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Post by Karen "Powergirl" Starr on Oct 28, 2012 16:03:33 GMT -5
"Yep, I got it. Trust me.
"Are you sure, cuz it's kind of big."
"Nicco, I thought we agree'd that I'd make the jokes and you'd stick to just laughing."
"This is payback for all the short stature jokes you make Which by the way are getting old."
"Ooh..Vindictive. This is a whole new side of you Nicco. I like .. "
"I still have my finger on that button to upload those pictures of you and that red head to the internet."
"Okay that's just not funny. Making a pit stop at Watch Tower to pick up some head gear. Don't know why, since it seems all you can do any more is tell bad jokes."
"Upload is 65% complete."
"sixty five? Are you uploading them from your cell phone or something?"
"They're just really high definition...also, 75%."
"Okay okay! I'm sorry! I take it all back, you're hilarious, Hahaha...Okay, delete them now...please...Please?"
Nicco and Karen banter as Karen flies across the sky at speeds in excess of mock 4, breaking the atmosphere easily enough she arcs in a blur of speed impossible to perceive to the naked eye from ground level. She is communicating with Nicco via the Starrphone, a pair of super high tech nano-machine powered ear rings that she wears. She mentioned a pit stop at the tower, but in reality, she doesn't spend more than 2 seconds there, blur in, blur out the blink of an eye later, wearing a flemsy looking glass helmet that has a microphone connected via a small tube to a small pack attached to a belt around her waist. It's part of a space suit, Karen doesn't need the whole thing, just enough atmosphere to talk, she doesn't need to breath.
She is currently en route towards an asteroid that has mysteriously been put on a collision course with earth. Who knows who did it, or if it was even on purpose, so many people hate earth, so it's possible, either way. Powergirl will ensure not a single bit of it even comes close to Earth.
Nicco is sitting comfortably back at Starrware in front of a wall filled with computer screens both large and small simultaneously playing galactica, while observing monitor screens that hold detailed information about an asteroid.
It's about the size of the united states and moving several hundred thousand miles an hour. She can't just destroy it, because she would risk turning one huge falling object into many tiny ones, so once she arrives on scene, she pauses to take inventory of her options. The Asteroid is several million miles away from earth, which gives a whole lot of time to decide what to do about it and also means, only a few people in the world will have even noticed it yet.
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Post by Richard "Nova" Rider on Oct 28, 2012 16:36:03 GMT -5
"Alright, here you go. Have a nice day." Richard put on an honest smile as he handed another customer a fresh, warm burger. The customer rolled away, unwrapping the burger and biting into it. This job wasn't the best, but it was the only one on offer for him right now. Still, he had to make the best of this situation. Even if his co-workers were self-righteous old...no, not now. The small voice of the Xandrian Worldmind had started up in his head. It was sort of his danger sense now. Its presence never bode well for Richard, and the planet. "Ah, geez. Franko, can you take over for a while? I didn't get lunch." His grudging co-worker's agreement meant Richard could dash out of the back and put a hand to his head. "Alright, Worldmind, this can't be good."
"Your assumptions are correct, Rider." The robotic voice droned. "Extrasensory sweep of the outlying systems has detected an unusually-large-for-this-system asteroid heading for the planet Earth. Suggested course of action would be to..."
"Intercept. Way ahead of ya." Richard said. "Well, suit me up." At his command, blue energy swirled around his form. For a moment, it obscured him completely from view, then it dissipated to reveal him in full modified Nova Corps uniform. Richard kicked off from the ground hard and zipped up to the sky at supersonic speeds. In no time, he had breached the atmosphere and was free to reach the full extension of the speed the Force granted him. "Worldmind, specs of the asteroid."
"Transmitting." The voice in his head replied, and a few annotated images flashed in Richard's eyes. "Detecting unidentified lifeform travelling on a trajectory parallel to ours."
"Someone who can help? Always good. Someone who hinders...not so good." Richard said, gliding through the cosmos with ease.
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You should get a girlfriend.
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Post by Karen "Powergirl" Starr on Oct 28, 2012 16:59:55 GMT -5
Nicco's exterior sensors weren't strong enough to pick up Nova coming and out here in space, Karen couldn't hear him either. It wasn't until he got close that Powergirl noticed him. She is currently floating alongside the Asteroid moving at a speed that matches it's speed, she is stiff in posture with her arms crossed just under her glorious cleavage. The cape trails behind her, it's short. The expression on her face is contemplative, she can see Nova, probably long before he can see her, thanks to her telescopic vision, she doesn't acknowledge his presence right away, she doesn't recognize him, he could be friend or foe.
"Whatcha got?" Nicco asks, breaking the silence.
"Captain America meets judge Dredd."
"What, is that...?...Oh hey, there's somebody out there with you!"
"Way ahead of you. I'm going to trade you in for skeetz. Can you patch me into his coms, or what?"
"Working. Done. Also, you'd miss my charming good looks."
"Shut up."
She floats near Nova and offers him a casual nod. Her Posture hasn't changed, she is rigid and imposing. Her gorgeous facial features are cut and slated. Lips slightly painted with red, eyes shrouded in smokey liner, short blonde hair tossing about weightlessly at the gestures and movements in slow motion. Cape tails behind her in similar slow-mo movements. Her booted feet dangle under her, pointed down rigidly, The knee high edge boots trail up over her shapely calves into bare thighs that are toned and succulent. A Red belt hangs loosely off her sexy hips, held on by a golden buckle. The sunlight pouring over them from the distance sun gleams off the golden pauldron on her left shoulder. With her arms crossed in such a statuesque manor, her breasts are lifted a little. The unitard she wears must have a bra built into it, since it smooshes her noticeably large and impossibly perky breasts together and up, similar to how a push up would, but with a chest as large as hers is, you wouldn't think a push up was needed. Thing is, Peej likes them to be kept in place and not bouncing every where while she works, so they're constricted pretty tightly, but then there's the cleavage window, which she swears she ultimately intended on filling with a symbol similar to the one Superman sports, but has yet to pick one out. Either way, she's drop dead gorgeous, and very very tall. 6 feet even, six two with the heels on her wedge boots. Her physique is simply Olympian in form and her grace is girlishly delicate but firm and willful.
"Hi, You're a long way from Mega City 1."
She quips, maybe this thing is some how from earth and not interested in blasting at her. Who ever it is, she wouldn'y dally around with if they wanted to fight, she'd have to quickly disable them. The problem with being out here in space is the whole lack of oxygen though. Most people who come out here wearing something like that have trouble being in space without it, so she couldn't just blast him with heat vision, she'd need to wear kid gloves and she hates having to do that. She already does, it's just worse in space, when a small cut or tear can be life threatening.
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Post by Richard "Nova" Rider on Oct 28, 2012 17:16:55 GMT -5
"Wait, wha..." The complete absurdity of Power Girl's costume stopped Richard's speech before it had even left his mouth. How could someone let that much skin show in space? Wouldn't they die? Physics had never been Richard's strong point. Fortunately, the Worldmind filled in his lacking knowledge. "This lifeform is of extraterrestrial physique. It is possible she may be able to survive in such conditions."
"That would explain...that." Even in the depths of space, Richard still had some dignity. He didn't want to say it out loud for fear of what this other lifeform could do to him.
"Well, I am the law." he quipped back, getting the reference in Power Girl's joke. "Might I ask what you're doing so far away from Earth? It was just one of the few question he needed to ask as Nova Prime. Sort of what passed for Miranda rights within the Corps. Only, he wasn't sure whether this other was a criminal or not.
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You should get a girlfriend.
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Post by Karen "Powergirl" Starr on Oct 28, 2012 17:45:24 GMT -5
In the back of her mind, she is keeping track of time as closely as she could. Every single second that passed by this meteor was a couple thousand miles closer to earth. Back home, Nicco is alerting the necessary authorities not to panic, various telescopes around the world are starting to notice the asteroid, but there wont be a panic. It'll probably make the evening news how ever.
To the other thing, the guy, person. At least he seems to have some manners. Still behind that ridiculous helmet he's probably staring at her chest. It wasn't that it seriously bothered her, she dressed like she did on purpose and didn't mind when people stared at her, but it's still something that pops into her head from time to time. She isn't self conscious or offended.
"Well there's this huge chunk of rock hurling towards another one where I keep my stuff and I intend on preventing this from happening. How much can you lift? I'm curious because, we might be able to just push it a bit and have it miss earth completely. The other option is to destroy it, which I'd rather avoid. I don't have any interest in playing space invaders in earths upper atmosphere all evening while waiting for every last piece to either miss or come close enough to warrant obliterating."
At that point Powergirl Dips down and zooms towards the underside of the rock, well any side would work, but for orientations sake, we'll say it's the underside, Getting down there takes a few seconds, but it's still a distance of about four thousand miles to travel. This asteroid is gigantic, probably weighs more than the moon and is at least four times the size.
"Oh yeah, by the way, my name's Powergirl. Also, kudos for seeing Judge Dreadd, most of my friends thought it was a dumb movie, but I liked it!"
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Post by Richard "Nova" Rider on Oct 29, 2012 6:22:24 GMT -5
"Around 100 tons. If not more." He already knew about the meteor that could kill everyone if it hit Earth. "I reckon getting it back to where it came from would probably be the best option."
"You mean I thought it was the best course of action, Rider." The Worldmind responded. Of course, Powergirl couldn't hear it, because it was stuck in Richard's head.
"Oh my. Is the all-knowledgeable alien supercomputer developing an ego?" Richard raised an eyebrow. To Powergirl, it would look like Nova was talking to himself. "I thought supercomputers didn't do emotions."
"Remain focused on the task at hand, Rider." he heard the Worldmind say. "I will deal with any intelligence."
"You got it, Worldmind." Richard zipped over the top of the great big space rock and joined his companion at the underside. "This thing is huge!" he exclaimed. "I don't think you can find any asteroid even close to this in our solar system. Wait, scratch that. I know you can't find anything like that." He quietly thanked the Worldmind for providing the information. "It won't be long before this hits Earth. And I'm Nova, by the way." He just hoped the helmet stayed on this time. Richard hadn't forgotten the last time it had come off in space. He still felt like he needed to glue it on whenever he left Earth.
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You should get a girlfriend.
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Post by Karen "Powergirl" Starr on Oct 29, 2012 13:30:38 GMT -5
She was pleasantly surprised by how courteous he was. She expected some one wearing such a flamboyant outfit to be rude and full of themselves. To be perfectly honest, the way the guy moves around reminds her a little bit of Hal Jordan mixed with Booster Gold. Instead the guy seems to have some kind of split personality or is talking to somebody on the radio, this is one reason she likes to maintain silence with Nicco when other people are arround.
"Yeah, My buddy back on earth clocked it at about 627 Megatons. I wouldn't worry to much about it hitting earth any time soon though, Next couple of days if we don't do anything. I agree that there aren't really meteorites this size in our solar system but my guess is, somebody sent it our way on purpose."
Upon hearing how strong her company was, Powergirl nearly face palmed. This guy must be from the other universe that mergered with hers a few months back, seems like nobody from that universe is any where close to as strong as she is. It didn't bother her or anything, but she expected more from a guy who was flying through space at 62 thousand miles an hour.
"And 100 tons isn't going to be enough, I might be able to push it on my own though...you got any other tricks up your sleeve that you could use to help me direct it?"
After that, Powergirl dipped down and around from where they were and moved more towards the front of the large odd shaped asteroid and then plowed towards its surface with a sudden zip followed by a huge crash. There isn't enough gravity on the asteroid to maintain an atmosphere, so you can't hear the megalithic boom that follows her collision with the monstrous chunk of rock. Her collision with the massive planetoid actually left a sizable creator a couple miles wide making the relatively smooth dome shaped area stand out amidst the otherwise jagged and messy looking surface. Straining herself as she does, she presses her shoulders and part of her upper back as well as her palms flat into the surface, which is otherwise as spiny mess of chasms and serrated stalagmites. Attempting if you will, to carry it on her back as she pushes it upwards.
It wouldn't take much honestly, a slight deviation in angel from this distance and the asteroid will miss earth by a couple million miles. More than enough for it to pass safely by without so much as effecting the tide. Even in all her Kryptonian might though, she finds mustering enough strength to get it to change trajectories difficult. It's not the weight so much as the mass and velocity. It's damn hard to manipulate 627 megatons cruising along at 62 thousand miles an hour, yo. Still, she does get it to budge a little, which is impressive to say the least. Perhaps if Nova Channels the nova force into a beam at the bow of the gigantic rock it'll be just enough?
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Post by Richard "Nova" Rider on Oct 29, 2012 16:04:05 GMT -5
"Well...that's heavy." Richard found himself gasping for air. In space, of all places. "As for how I can move it when it's that heavy, I honestly have no idea." It was quite embarrassing, actually. Here he was, with an attractive, albeit surprisingly underdressed lady, and he had no way to move a superbig asteroid. The old Nova Corps ingenuity had failed him this time. "Worldmind, got any good ideas?"
"The weight of this asteroid is beyond your strength abilities, Rider." the voice in his head said. "I have no current course of action to suggest."
"Well, what's the point of having a supercomputer if it can't help me?" Richard zipped towards the surface of the asteroid. "Worldmind, are there any structural weakne...aah!" He felt himself press lightly against the asteroid as it was lifted up slightly. Flying to the underside, he saw Powergirl lifting it up. Or attempting to, at least. How was she able to lift up that much weight on her own? Was she even that strong? Did she have powers? It would certainly explain the lack of coverage.
"Rider, a solution has been detected." If Richard could kiss his own head, he would. "The right application of the Nova Force could move the asteroid even further. Calculating specifics."
As Richard flew up to the top of the asteroid again, he heard the Worldmind speak. "Focus a beam of energy at the bow of the asteroid." The three circles on his chest glowed bright blue as Richard extended his palms outwards and fired on the gigantic space rock, in the exact spot the Worldmind had indicated.
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You should get a girlfriend.
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Post by Karen "Powergirl" Starr on Oct 29, 2012 16:34:38 GMT -5
Annnnd Prestochango! When the full force of the Nova Beam struck the Asteroid it not only budged but flat out changed directions. With Powergirl providing most of the initial torque all it took was a good shove to get the ball rolling. It was just what the doctor ordered! Their combined might was enough to save the day!
"AuuugghhhhhhhhhhHAH!"
Powergirl screams as she puts all her effort into shifting the asteroids trajectory. Her face turned red and her muscled bulged just slightly. Probably one of the only times you'll ever see a Krytponian strain to lift anything, take a picture, seriously. When the Nova Force Beam strikes the asteroid, it's course is changed by approximately 15 degrees.
"You got it, that's it! A little more.... YEAH! You guys rock!"
Another unfamiliar voice calls, coming from the intercoms. It's the voice of Nicco. PG's buddy from earth, the wizz kid that noticed the asteroid in the first place. Nova can hear his voice since their coms are connected.
"Nicco your mic is open."
Karen said with a slightly unamused tone to her voice as she slowly floats away from the massive inverted dome shape of a crater she made when she struck the meteor to push it. There are large chasm like cracks stretching out in all directions from the edges of the six mile wide crater she made in her application of force. These chasms are hundreds of miles long. Did she cause those?
Rider wouldn't have been able to detect it, but the world mind would. Just how can Karen manipulate such a mass? It's the size of the north American cotenant. It isn't physically possible, no mater how strong she is. The answer is, biowavelengths. Literal waves of force extending out from the Kryptonian biorhythms to influence what ever she is manipulating. Effectively increasing her surface to force ratio by about a hundred thousand. This is also why Kryptonian's can lift buildings or mountains without them crumbling around the relatively gnat sized support offered from the sheer strength of the kryptonian physiology.
"Oh Sorry, I'll shut up. What ever though, you're both awesome, good job."
"It's okay Nicco, you're the one that spotted the asteroid, give yourself some credit. Nova, that's Nicco, he's uh....my sidekick...Back on earth. He feeds me technical data on various things while I'm in the field. Good for analysis and problem solving, I'm guessing you've got something similar, that or you're crazy. Any ways, good job."
Powergirl floats towards Nova, she looks fine now, not tired, not even out of breath. She floats close enough to offer her hand to him. A handshake to celebrate a job well done. But what's next? Where did the Asteroid come from? Was it harmless chaos that sent it this way? Or something more nefarious.
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Post by Richard "Nova" Rider on Oct 30, 2012 8:02:12 GMT -5
"Aw, yeah!" Richard did what passed for a victory dance in space. Then he heard Nicco on the comm. "And I thought we were alone together." he quipped. "It's nice to meet you too, Nicco. I'm Nova. Job well done, I think." Without question, he accepted the handshake. "And no, I'm not that crazy. I do have something similar, actually. It's an alien supercomputer in my head."
"I am still here, Rider." Speak of the devil, the Worldmind chimed up. "The solution used was most....ingenious."
"He just called you ingenious." Richard said, smiling lightly. "Though it was a pretty awesome thing you did. Just how strong how are you?" He could tell her strength easily beat his own. That in itself is an achievement. He wondered what her power was. Did she get stronger if she showed off enough skin? It would explain the huge gap in the chest. Then again, he'd seen stranger things during his time in the Corps. "Now that's taken care of, I reckon it's back to Earth for us. I'm on my lunch break, and killing asteroids made me hungry. I'd race you back, but you're too fast for me!" Nonetheless, he still felt the rush of....space as he made a beeline for the planet's atmosphere.
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You should get a girlfriend.
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Post by Karen "Powergirl" Starr on Oct 30, 2012 14:18:49 GMT -5
Karen isn't convinced the danger has passed. In truth there is a reason an asteroid that big was in this solar system, then again it might've been just random chaos, or not. Nicco already knew to keep the extra solar sensors running. Then again, he really didn't need to worry to much about that, the watch tower took care of it for the most part. And then there's the other heroes out there. The new ones, like this Nova guy.
"There is no limit to my strength, as far as I know. At least, I haven't found a thing that I can't pick up yet...The biggest thing I've ever lifted while in an atmosphere was a space ship about the size of Manhattan. I'd guess it at weighing around 27 megatons. I once threw a military grade battleship out of earths atmosphere, but well, that was...well I don't wanna talk about it, how about you?"
Karen wasn't really interested in racing, or eating, but getting to know this new hero was a good course of action in her mind. She'd follow him back to earth and what ever place he wanted to eat. She didn't bother removing her Powergirl outfit, even if they'd go right back into where he worked to get a burger.
"Where do you come from?"
She figured it was a good question to start them in their conversation, eventually she could tell him a little bit about where she comes from, maybe he'll share something similar with her. Powergirl always likes making new friends and this guy seemed really nice.
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Post by Richard "Nova" Rider on Oct 30, 2012 16:22:27 GMT -5
"I'm from Hempstead. New York. Earth." Richard felt it important to add that he was from Earth. He still had a suspicion that his new friend wasn't. "Always have been, and probably always will be unless I can get a better job." Strange. He had never thought of exploiting the Worldmind to better his job opportunities. After all, he had the collective knowledge of a very knowledgeable and advanced planet at his disposal. He was sure it would be easy to get a decent job with that kind of knowledge in his head.
"Afraid I'm a little short on cash. I hope you don't mind helping to pay for lunch." The atmosphere didn't burn on re-entry. His suit was far too advanced for that. The suit had served him well over his years of service. A lot of things had. When one was Nova Prime, that seemed to happen.
The ground of New York seemed to rush up to him as he came closer to the concrete surface of the city. Just as he passed the tip of the Empire State, he levelled out and headed in the direction of home. Or more specifically, lunch. He knew a small little sandwich place where he vanished to on his lunch breaks. It would be really awkward if he stayed at the burger joint. But that was immaterial. All that mattered now was a place to change outfits.
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Post by Karen "Powergirl" Starr on Oct 30, 2012 17:37:56 GMT -5
Karen fell through the atmosphere like a bullet, she slowed to match her new friend's speed though all the way home. When he mentioned a lack in funds, she chuckled a little bit, but not in a mean sort of way. It was mostly just funny to her, because so many heroes seem to have terrible financial woes, except for her. She still wonders where Supergirl gets her money from some times though.
"Yeah sure that's fine, I don't mind covering the tab. I'll be right back. Gonna hit an ATM ... Hah, Well Not literally! haha! "
She said this just as they were coming around the baxter building and suddenly vanished into a blur of motion and nothing less. Right around twenty seconds later she returns without any visible difference to her attire or person, but wow she is fast! Though she wasn't yet sure how this guy was going to eat with his ridiculous helmet on, she didn't question. She assumed they were just going to go and get some food dressed as is, the thought simply didn't occur to her change clothing. Her clothing was back at Starrware, which was across town. Though it would only take her a couple of minutes to get there change and get back, it seemed easier this way.
"As for where I'm from, it's not earth...But I've lived here for a few years now. I come from a planet called Krypton. I'm an alien."
She said grinning proudly as they began to approach their destination.
"By the way, if it's all the same to you, I'd rather we get what ever it is to go and then go find a building some where to sit on."
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Post by Richard "Nova" Rider on Oct 31, 2012 20:12:55 GMT -5
"I suppose being in a restaurant in these costumes would be a little inconspicuous." Richard agreed. At least, that was the reason he thought Powergirl had for sitting on a rooftop. "Thanks for agreeing to chip in on the bill, by the way." He still had a little bit of money in his pocket, but the sandwiches were freaking expensive.
With the great speed of the Nova Force, he reached the Sandwich place in no time. The only problem is there was a queue. A long queue. One that extended out of the door. They were the worst kind of queues. He wondered if they would give him some leeway for being a superhero. That generally seemed to be the case when people saw him in costume.
"Mind waiting for a sec? I want to try something." he descended and touched the ground, right at the back of the queue. It seemed to have worked. People were noticing him and were parting ways for Nova. Obviously, the superhero needed a sandwich. Crime fighting was hungry work.
The others parted ways until Nova was right at the front of the queue. Truly, that was a stroke of luck for him. But now a new dilemma presented itself. What sort of sandwich was he to have, This was the main problem with stores like this. So much variety, and he could only get himself one sandwich. They all looked delicious. It was torturing.
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Post by Karen "Powergirl" Starr on Oct 31, 2012 20:38:48 GMT -5
Powergirl wraps one arm under her bust and uses that hand to hold the other as she brings the other hand to her face in a slight display of comical embarisment as she looks on at the man wearing the ridiculous costume part the red sea of customers for a sandwich. She's surprised they didn't start some kind of rumor rumbling about the weirdo at the back of the line, but the fact that he arrived via flying in and landing meant something. Additionally, just because Powergirl had never met him didn't mean he wasn't wildly popular. Honestly, these new heroes were throwing her for a loop.
She lands behind him with a cocked smile on her face, amused at the display. She points at the menu behind the cashier while the cashier gushes and the crew gushes endlessly about super heroes stopping by for a sandwitch.
"I'll have a Pastrami and corned beef on rye with olives, tomatoes, and mayo, extra olives and what ever Uh..Nova wants as well."
She looks over her shoulder at the gawking crowd, which didn't bother her so much. She's actually had to wait in line before while dressed as Powergirl so this wasn't exactly unexpected, people usually assume she's part of some comic con or something till she flies away, the comments afterwards are usually always funny. It's sort of ironic considering the outfit she's wearing that she'd feel embarrassed for paling around with a guy wearing what Nova is wearing. Then again PG loves her outfit to dickens and wouldn't change it for the world. She supposed his costume was actually kind of cool, it's just the helmet really, The helmet is a little odd. Could be worse, he could be wearing a big flowing cape along with it.
In truth, since this sandwich stand was "Nova's favorite" there is probably a strong possibility that the regulars of this place don't even know who Powergirl is or at least aren't familiar with her, considering the recent universe merger. Karen can already hear the rumors flying around in the crowd of on lookers that Nova's got a girlfriend, Nova's this and Nova's that. These rumors didn't bother PG. She got used to hearing this kind of thing a long time ago.
When it comes time to pay, Karen reaches into a discretely hidden pocket on her cape and pulls out a small wad of cash, which she forks over a couple of twenties from to pay for their meal.
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